Max Clifford 'Had Slap And Tickle In Office'

By Nick Pisa, Sky News Reporter

Publicist Max Clifford told police he had "slap and tickle" in his office but never sexual intercourse, a court has heard.

Clifford, who is accused of indecently assaulting several women, said the atmosphere in his office was fun but no-one was "ever forced to do anything they didn't want".

He told police he had "never paid a woman for sex" although he knew "plenty of famous people who use hookers and escorts".

He said it was a "matter of personal pride" and not his style and anything else was "not me".

The prosecution at Southwark Crown Court has described the atmosphere in his central London office as "sexually charged" but Clifford insisted nothing sinister ever took place.

He told police: "There was slap and tickle, kissing and cuddling and I may have had oral sex but never sexual intercourse."

Clifford said the "floor was too hard" but insisted when he had carried out sex acts in his office, it would have been with "someone very willing, able and old enough to know what they were doing".

He added: "It happened on occasions, it did happen but very, very occasionally."

He insisted to police that he "only had sex with people who fancied me and I fancied them," adding he had never forced anyone, saying of the allegations: "It didn't happen, I know it didn't happen".

Clifford told police: "To me sex is natural" and "more enjoyable" if both people were willing.

He admitted to police that "there were girls out there" who he had had affairs with while married but he was "not some grubby little whatsit".

Clifford, dressed in a suit and open necked white shirt, listened to the proceedings via an earpiece and followed the interviews on a paper copy he had.

Clifford's defence barrister Richard Horwell QC opened his case by telling the jury they had "heard only one side of the story."

He added: "The evidence is not as straight forward as suggested," as he explained how the size of his client's penis was crucial to the case.

Mr Horwell said some prosecution witnesses had described it as small while others had said it was large.

He told the jury: "Mr Clifford has an average size penis," explaining that his doctor had "carefully measured it recently and it was five and a quarter inches long flaccid".

Mr Horwell went on: "Certainly not freakishly small and certainly not enormous. The witnesses cannot be relied upon. It must be very perplexing."

He also rebuked the prosecution's claim that Clifford's office was his own "sexual fiefdom" describing it as "errant nonsense".

Defence witnesses for Clifford would number more than 40 and besides friends and family include "friends from the showbusiness world who have not abandoned him".

Although it is not yet clear who, the publicist does represent X Factor judge Simon Cowell.

However Mr Horwell told the jury the defence would not be a "celebrity extravaganza" and asked the jury to "keep an open mind".

He then called Clifford to give evidence and their initial exchanges were about his early life and schooling in Merton, south west london.

Clifford described how he then got work at EMI press office representing an "unknown group from Liverpool called The Beatles".

He told Mr Horwell his work then would have made it impossible to visit a Morden Wimpy bar in 1966 as he would have been too busy.

One of the alleged victims says she was indecently assaulted after Clifford met her in the fast good restaurant in 1966.

The 70-year-old from Hersham, Surrey, denies 11 counts of indecent assault between 1966 and 1984 on seven girls and women.

The trial continues.

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